Showing posts with label condos. Show all posts
Showing posts with label condos. Show all posts

Saturday, June 28, 2008

Real Estate: A Tale of Two Williamsburg Waterfront Developments

Today we visited the sales offices for two new Williamsburg waterfront developments: The Edge and Northside Piers. Two adjacent developments, similar in many ways--floor to ceiling windows, state of the art amenities, including pools, with views of Brooklyn, the Manhattan skyline and the East River.

But different in some other significant ways: The Edge, which only went to market in March 2008 and isn't going to be ready for closings until late 2009, has a beautiful sales office with a dazzling model kitchen and bath and interactive kiosks loaded up with photos and every floor plan in the entire 575-unit phase one development. And beautiful flower arrangements, like this one: Curbed did a good job of featuring this sales office in all its glory on their blog. I guess you need to be pretty when you're trying to get people to buy in this market based on their imaginations alone. Because The Edge is a Silver LEED "green" development, even the Sales office abides by those rules, offering filtered water in washable "Edge" inscribed cups, rather than in plastic bottles and sending you home with brochures in an environmentally friendly "Edge" canvas bag. The front: The back:Nice touches like that make me want to buy, but as expected, the units do not come cheap. We're going to wait a bit to see how sales go for them and hope they drop their asking prices in future releases (me with the real estate lingo--I'm learning!).

...which Northside Piers, now at the end of its sales cycle for Tower 1 of three, is doing. The nice thing about this development is that they're ready to negotiate. That's Tower 1. Looks a little ominous with all those clouds forming in the background, eh? Sales have been sluggish apparently and they're only 65% sold after being on the market for a year and a half. The NY Times has a nice write-up on the situation. The thing is Tower 1 had a number of less than stellar features--the two subsequent towers are going to obstruct a lot of the currently limitless views of the river, not to mention the Edge on the north border, the amenities are not as great (The Edge has a basketball court, on-site resident only spa, indoor/outdoor pool), the kitchen and bathrooms are nice, but I've seen much nicer. The attention to detail that we saw at the Edge was just not there. And they're not a green building. Plus, they didn't give us a nice canvas shopping bag. Just kidding.... On the plus side, we got to walk some model apartments and works in progress, and the floor plans are nice and roomy. The walk-through really sold me with the views....but it's hard to know how much of your views will be obscured by future development.

Well, those two appointments took about 3 hours to complete. We were hungry and exhausted and though the original plan was to walk around Billyburg and get a feel for the area, we just beelined it to North 6th St and went to Sea, a Thai restaurant, for lunch. Funny, I've only been in Williamsburg three times before, and one of those three times I ate at Sea with City Guy. Anyhow, we sat next to the Buddha: ...and tried to cool down with a thai iced tea with litcheeand talked about how nice to floor plans and the views were in both developments, but for the prices per square foot and the high costs and risks of buying into a new development in this market in a part of Brooklyn that is going to be under construction for years and years to come (the beautiful waterfront park you see in renderings is not even built yet - it's just industrial yards and construction), we might be better off limiting our search to Manhattan for now.

I guess we thought Brooklyn would give us that waterfront view at a couple hundred thousand less than we'd pay for an equivalent place in downtown Manhattan, but we were wrong. Maybe prices will drop. They should, as the inventory is overpriced considering the variables, but eager beavers might not care. One thing's for sure: with both developments planning future phases, there will be inventory for years to come.

After our 45-min schlepp back home and recovering from my heatstroke, I was so grateful to be living in Manhattan. I picked up the Battery Park City Broadsheet and Downtown Express, two pubs that are always at the doorman's desk for the taking, which I've ignored before, and started reading--lower Manhattan is such a cool area. "Did you know there's a free bicycle lending program? And a community center with a pool and yoga lessons? And outdoor bootcamp in the park? And sailing?" I said to City Guy.

And of course, there's the incomparable Battery Park City esplanade. The lease renewal for our lovely rent-stabilized apartment (it's rent stabilized b/c it's a NYC historic landmark--just found this out today!) had been sitting around for a few days. "3% increase in rent? We're so lucky,"I said. We have a gym, a deli, doorman services, dry cleaning, a great space, a great neighborhood, and we're just across the street from the waterfront.

Plus, I read this enlightening article on why you should rent, not buy.
When the housing market slumps—as it has every 10 or 15 years for the past several decades—homeownership becomes little more than renting, from a bank. Without appreciation, buying a $400,000 house—instead of renting the same property for, say, $2,000 a month—can turn into an expensive, potentially money-losing proposition. Assuming home prices come out of their death spiral (prices fell 4.5 percent in the third quarter compared with last year), they would still have to appreciate at 4 percent every year for a decade—even if rents climbed well above the rate of inflation—before a family would save more owning than renting.
The economics are clear: investing in the stock market, hell, investing in Treasury Bills, is less risky and more profitable than investing in the housing market at this point. Sometimes you got to wonder...City Guy signed the lease an hour ago. Until we find a good deal, we're saving money and that makes me feel savvy. We're in no rush.

Monday, June 16, 2008

Real Estate: Open House Post-Mortem

Yesterday afternoon, City Guy and I spent four hours traipsing around in the hot, humid weather to visit SEVEN buildings in the FiDi. Fun, but exhausting. I have mixed feelings about buying after all this. Things I've learned:
  • It's going to be hard to get everything we want. We'd ideally want a 2 bedroom or 1 bedroom with home office (that we could convert into a nursery down the road), but even in this market, we're looking at a million (maybe $800-900K if we're willing to give up certain things, like location or amenities).
  • Based on running the numbers in a handy dandy mortgage calculator, based on what we're paying for rent right now between the two of us (on the low side), buying doesn't make financial sense, even with the tax savings. However, the minute we compare the cost of renting a two-bedroom to the cost of buying a $850K place, for instance, we can justify the expense.
  • I feel poor. When you go to these open houses, you see the same faces over and over...there are a lot of bankers with a lot of money still buying in this market and they don't seem to blink at the prices.
  • We're going to start considering Brooklyn. The Williamsburg waterfront developments, for instance, would satisfy my jonesing for a water-view and the units are bigger for the money. Check out The Edge.
  • Even with the glut of condos in the area, developers are planning even more. 50 West St is scheduled to open in June 2010, for example.
  • There's no rush. Like with everything else in life, I must be patient.
  • If we buy, we might have to stay in NYC for the next 5 to 7 years.
  • We need a good mortgage broker.
  • We need a good real estate attorney.
  • NYC real estate is no joke.
Real estate is vexingly on my brain. I've already scheduled three appointments for next weekend. We're going to check out The Edge, Northside Piers and the beautiful green condo development in Battery Park City, Visionaire. Wish us luck!

Saturday, June 14, 2008

Real Estate: Condo Search 101

As I mentioned before, City Guy and I are new to the NYC condo market, and it's my job as the one with the more flexible hours and the greater background in real estate (my family) to do the homework.

Today, I took advantage of this stormy weather to stay indoors and get organized. I spent forever on Street Easy, looking up condos in the FiDi (Financial District for you newbies), and just by looking through all the listings and the new development listings, I feel confident that I now know all the major condo developments with available units in our price range--about 25 in all. I made a spreadsheet! I know--pretty nerdy--but I love Excel for organizing my life!

Tomorrow, we're going to try and hit up 5 or 6 open houses. Should be fun.

Other steps we've recently taken to get organized:
  1. The other day, City Guy and I made a "condo wishlist" which I think was another good way to figure out our baseline expectations as a couple for our new home. It was good to know we were on the same page.
  2. We figured out our money situation, which means now I know what to look for in terms of price, common charges and taxes.
  3. We ruled out Battery Park City, which I've loved from afar for a while. I just love the waterfront and all those "green" buildings! But the common charges and taxes are ridiculous - almost $2000/month sometimes and I'd happily walk a few blocks to get to water if it means saving a chunk of change.
  4. We agreed that our first choice in neighborhoods is FiDi. Both of us have lived in this area for many years. We've seen it evolve and we believe there's great growth potential in the next 5-7 years. I found out today that living in FiDi, our future kids would have a great school district - PS 234--and we'd be close to the waterfront parks, which I would take over Central Park any day. Plus, we believe it's our best bet for finding a place for less than $1000/square foot downtown.
  5. We're giving ourselves a 6 month to 1 year time frame for purchase. That gives us time to really do our homework.
  6. If we don't find a place in Manhattan, we'll start looking in Brooklyn. Williamsburg has some very nice waterfront developments, though they're a hike from the nearest subway stop. Brooklyn Heights is also very nice.
  7. I got a little folder to keep all my floor plans, info sheets and other real estate stuff in one place
Oh, and I found a couple more condo resources (in addition to the ones I listed before):
Hope it doesn't rain tomorrow so I can see how the light streams into those southern exposure units!

Sunday, April 27, 2008

On My Mind: Real Estate


City Guy and I are seriously thinking of buying a place this year. Actually, we've been talking about it for a while. So what's holding us back besides economic uncertainty and laziness? The truth is I can't get those California houses out of my head. I've had this bad habit of saying to myself, "Do you know what that money can get us in California?" It's hard to commit to a 1000 sq-foot apartment when you can get a bi-level with a pool out back. Yes, I know I'm always talking about California, but before someone writes in and tells me to leave NYC if I don't like it, give me credit for trying.

Today, I went to see a couple condos in the Financial District. City Guy and I like FiDi, as they call it, for a number of reasons, which I can get into later. They were both gorgeous loft-style apartments in the Phillip Starck-designed building (just check out that lobby) at 15 Broad St, with amenities that would put many New York hotels to shame. Seriously, what hotel do you know that has an indoor lap pool, bowling alley, jacuzzi, basketball court, private theater, private terrace, state of the art gym and dance studio...Whew! Truthfully, I think we might be dreaming with this one. I don't know if we can afford to live in a building like this, with its common charges, but I was dazzled and if I had the kind of cash that allows you to make rash decisions, I'd have gone for it!

But I know next to nothing about real estate and being a complete-ist (does anyone else use this word - I find it handy), I know I won't be comfortable buying until I've explored the market more. We've been putting off this house-hunting process for a while, just dipping our toe into the water with a few open houses last fall, but now that the weather's warming, we have no excuse.

And of the two of us, I'm the one who's got the time to do our real estate homework. So I guess I've got a lot of these open houses ahead of me before this journey is done. I'll keep you posted. So far, these are some of my favorite real estate sites:
What are your favorites?Anyone have any good advice on how best to go about looking for a home in NYC?